Practice 1: Acknowledgement & Recognition - Community life competence2024-03-28T11:43:25Zhttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/forum/topics/practice-1-acknowledgement?commentId=2028109%3AComment%3A12111&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Geoff. I think the merging…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-12-08:2028109:Comment:157382009-12-08T03:09:47.612ZGastonhttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/Gaston
Hi Geoff. I think the merging is possible. It almost seems to me there is a hierarchy in the two principles. Obviously people will not transfer information if they do not think it's their issue. So in that sense 'transferring information' seems a means, strategy or specific local response to take steps to prevent HIV. So I agree with the merging.<br />
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Gaston
Hi Geoff. I think the merging is possible. It almost seems to me there is a hierarchy in the two principles. Obviously people will not transfer information if they do not think it's their issue. So in that sense 'transferring information' seems a means, strategy or specific local response to take steps to prevent HIV. So I agree with the merging.<br />
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Gaston Hi All
Following on from our…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-11-29:2028109:Comment:155012009-11-29T16:29:06.043ZGeoff Parcellhttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/GeoffParcell
Hi All<br />
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Following on from our last discussion I have made changes to the knowledge asset on responses to <a href="http://aidscompetence.ning.com/page/acknowledgement-and">Acknowledgement and Recognition</a>. Have a look at it and see what you think.<br />
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Specifically I looked at merging the two principles " If local people transfer the information in their own community, they prevent AIDS in their community." with " If you convince communities that HIV is their problem, they will start taking…
Hi All<br />
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Following on from our last discussion I have made changes to the knowledge asset on responses to <a href="http://aidscompetence.ning.com/page/acknowledgement-and">Acknowledgement and Recognition</a>. Have a look at it and see what you think.<br />
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Specifically I looked at merging the two principles " If local people transfer the information in their own community, they prevent AIDS in their community." with " If you convince communities that HIV is their problem, they will start taking care."<br />
My suggestion is that we go with a single Principle <b>"When communities accept the spread of HIV is their issue, they will take steps to prevent it and care for those affected."</b> Suggested improvements welcomed!<br />
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I also took up Laurence's suggestion to order the principles according to the 5 levels on the self assessment. I looked at this and it seemed to work, though I am reluctant to label them as "To get to level 3 do this" because it cannot be as prescriptive as this and anyway taking an action may move a community much further than level 3. Nevertheless the exercise did seem to put them into an order where they built on one another.<br />
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The group working on this will meet by Skype again on 9th December when we will move on to discuss the practice of Inclusion. Let em know if you are interested in joining this discussion.<br />
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Geoff Welcome back!
That's the int…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-23:2028109:Comment:143562009-09-23T17:11:55.546ZGeoff Parcellhttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/GeoffParcell
Welcome back!<br />
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That's the intent. Do you want to set up the Skype discussion and I'll join if I can?<br />
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Would 'situation' be simpler? “If we accept ourselves and our <b>situation</b> then we can accept and support others more readily.”<br />
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Welcome back!<br />
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That's the intent. Do you want to set up the Skype discussion and I'll join if I can?<br />
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Would 'situation' be simpler? “If we accept ourselves and our <b>situation</b> then we can accept and support others more readily.”<br />
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G Dear Geoff,
Many thanks for…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-23:2028109:Comment:143522009-09-23T14:33:54.152ZRituu B. Nandahttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/RituuBNanda94
Dear Geoff,<br />
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Many thanks for the notes. Very prompt and very well captured! It was a very fruitful discussion indeed.<br />
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Clubbing similar principles together is a good idea. If we explain the principles in a little more detail I feel that they would be more helpful to people who are looking for similar experiences. For eg in the principle “<i>If we involve religious and other leaders in the discussion then traditions and policies can be revisited</i>.” we could explain different kinds of leaders:…
Dear Geoff,<br />
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Many thanks for the notes. Very prompt and very well captured! It was a very fruitful discussion indeed.<br />
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Clubbing similar principles together is a good idea. If we explain the principles in a little more detail I feel that they would be more helpful to people who are looking for similar experiences. For eg in the principle “<i>If we involve religious and other leaders in the discussion then traditions and policies can be revisited</i>.” we could explain different kinds of leaders: village functionaries, political leaders and so on. Moreover, when we post the stories we need to put in the tag words carefully so that search by the user yields appropriate results.<br />
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Merging common principles will also be helpful in compiling stories. For instance, I know I have a story for principle 7 and I need to look for aspects in stories which fill in other principles.<br />
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Lau has made a very pertinent point about the need to use simple language. I recall a similar discussion with Phil. Use of simple words would also help in translation to other languages. In India, the Self-assessment framework has been translated in at least 5-6 local languages and its not been an easy task. In one of the ACP events, we tried translating a principle in my mother tongue, Hindi and it was hard. I was not too pleased as it did not convey the meaning intended in the English version.<br />
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Look forward to more learning.<br />
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Warm regards,<br />
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Rituu Dear Geoff,
Thanks for shari…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-23:2028109:Comment:143442009-09-23T05:07:28.415ZLaurence Gilliothttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/LaurenceGilliot
Dear Geoff,<br />
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Thanks for sharing the minutes of the meeting, very helpful for those of us who where not there. I will be available for the next meeting, the timing is fine.<br />
I agree with all the points discussed. Great progress!<br />
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One small comment: what is predicament? Can we use a more simple word and in general be aware of people for whom English is not their first language?<br />
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To merge the principles related to leaders, could we organize a skype call between the 2-3 people who share their…
Dear Geoff,<br />
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Thanks for sharing the minutes of the meeting, very helpful for those of us who where not there. I will be available for the next meeting, the timing is fine.<br />
I agree with all the points discussed. Great progress!<br />
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One small comment: what is predicament? Can we use a more simple word and in general be aware of people for whom English is not their first language?<br />
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To merge the principles related to leaders, could we organize a skype call between the 2-3 people who share their experience around this to come to a common principle?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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Laurence Knowledge Asset meeting Skype…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-18:2028109:Comment:142682009-09-18T09:03:58.871ZGeoff Parcellhttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/GeoffParcell
<b><u>Knowledge Asset meeting Skype 17 Sept 2009</u></b><br />
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4 participants MariJo, Phil, Marlou, Geoff<br />
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As a starting point we used Geoff’s attachment grouping the initial 9 principles on the Knowledge Asset which came from the Chiang Mai K fair (in Blue on the diagram) with the ones we brainstormed at the last meeting, and linked those to discussions and additions since.<br />
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6 of the 9 Principles do tie with the other principles we brainstormed, and three don’t. Of those three, two are about…
<b><u>Knowledge Asset meeting Skype 17 Sept 2009</u></b><br />
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4 participants MariJo, Phil, Marlou, Geoff<br />
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As a starting point we used Geoff’s attachment grouping the initial 9 principles on the Knowledge Asset which came from the Chiang Mai K fair (in Blue on the diagram) with the ones we brainstormed at the last meeting, and linked those to discussions and additions since.<br />
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6 of the 9 Principles do tie with the other principles we brainstormed, and three don’t. Of those three, two are about involving leaders so we can add a single principle embracing those two. The other is about convincing communities it is their problem. Geoff would rather turn that around and link it to the one about communities openly discussing and addressing concerns (After all it is not being done to them.) We discussed some of these and tried to find words that embrace the clusters we have. We reflected the process we were going through.<br />
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Phil suggested how he uses knowledge assets – “to help me think of things I could do to improve in this practice, or if I was facilitating, things others could do.”<br />
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Marlou suggested rationalising the language so we were consistent in our use of “I”, “we” or “you”. We settled on “we” to reflect how the assets were to be used – to stimulate community action.<br />
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We agreed that it did not have to be an either/ or choice. We could have sub-principles to a generality.<br />
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Let’s have your comments on the following amendments as some of these principles have been refined following the meeting:<br />
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Principle 1. Elevate “If you tap into the culture of young people they will apply what they know already.” Further discussion led us to recognise this was not just young people it applied to. This becomes “If we tap into the culture of people they will apply what they know already.”<br />
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Principle 3 & 9. “If we involve religious and other leaders in the discussion then traditions and policies can be revisited.”<br />
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Principle 4 & 6. “If we share accurate, timely information in our community then we can have the knowledge and courage to act to prevent the spread of HIV.”<br />
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Principle 7. becomes “If we accept ourselves and our predicament then we can accept and support others more readily.”<br />
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Principle 8. “If we openly discuss the issue of HIV as a couple, or with family, friends, or community, then we can acknowledge that HIV concerns us and we can address it.”<br />
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We stopped at this point to reflect on our process. Was it working? Were we comfortable with it? Is this an appropriate process?<br />
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We discussed who should be involved. At knowledge fairs the principles are agreed by the group sharing their stories. It would be good if all the story contributors developed the common principles together. This is not always practical, and as the number grows becomes unwieldy.<br />
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Phil offered that he trusts the group who are doing it. Further discussion led to the insight that while it requires trust, the process also helps to develop trust amongst the Ning community. We must make more effort to involve a representation from GLIA and other African programmes to ensure they are happy with the common principles.<br />
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We also agreed that if we changed a principle, or added a story to a principle, it will be respectful and a good process to ask the person who shared the story if they are happy with the principle their story is connected to.<br />
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We discussed whether the principle for action was compulsory. Someone suggested “It is not a law, does it help me?” So we concluded we can trust a group of others to come up with the principle but we can verify for ourselves whether we will apply it. Trust but verify.<br />
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Remembering Gaston’s usual challenge, the real test is if others find the principles useful to guide their actions. How do we get the feedback that the principles are useful to build competence? We will discuss this at a future meeting.<br />
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We propose 6th October at the same time 3:30 pm European time for the next meeting. Can you indicate if this is suitable?<br />
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This note will be posted on the discussion forum so you can share your comments directly with everyone. Am glad to report a positive…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-14:2028109:Comment:141922009-09-14T06:37:09.513ZCAROL NJERI NDUNGUhttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/CAROLNJERINDUNGU
Am glad to report a positive feedback from commercial sex workers and truck drivers who so far are recognizing HIV$AIDS as a reality and are now using condoms for their own protection.<br />
Carol<br />
Kenya truck drivers union.
Am glad to report a positive feedback from commercial sex workers and truck drivers who so far are recognizing HIV$AIDS as a reality and are now using condoms for their own protection.<br />
Carol<br />
Kenya truck drivers union. Entre deux cultures
J’ai eu…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-12:2028109:Comment:141592009-09-12T05:14:42.932ZBenyaich Aichahttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/BenyaichAicha
Entre deux cultures<br />
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J’ai eu un problème de santé, le HPV c’est un virus qui aujourd’hui tue beaucoup de femme dans le monde quand on le découvre trop tard.<br />
Je ne pouvais pas en parler à ma mère car je ne pouvais assumer ce que je pensais qu’elle allait me dire. Car moi-même, je me sentais responsable de ma maladie ce fût une épreuve difficile.<br />
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La raison de ma culpabilité était qu’autant que femme, avoir cette maladie n’était "pas normale" selon le point de vue de la culture…
Entre deux cultures<br />
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J’ai eu un problème de santé, le HPV c’est un virus qui aujourd’hui tue beaucoup de femme dans le monde quand on le découvre trop tard.<br />
Je ne pouvais pas en parler à ma mère car je ne pouvais assumer ce que je pensais qu’elle allait me dire. Car moi-même, je me sentais responsable de ma maladie ce fût une épreuve difficile.<br />
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La raison de ma culpabilité était qu’autant que femme, avoir cette maladie n’était "pas normale" selon le point de vue de la culture magrébine/musulmane. Et ça m’empêchait de m’accepter et d’assumer ma vie, de vivre ce que je suis.<br />
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Cette épreuve m’a permis de me rendre compte que je n’arrivais pas à me situer, je vivais entre deux cultures sans pouvoir trouver ma place parce que si j’allais trop dans la culture européenne, je me sentais très mal et très coupable mais quand j’allais trop dans l’autre, dans mon côté maghrébin/musulman, je me sentais tout aussi mal.<br />
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Je me trouvais à un niveau tellement bas que je me suis dit « c’est normal de s’évaluer d’une manière si négative ? C’est normal de se sous-estimer ainsi ? »<br />
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Je me suis dis que la vie ne devait pas être ainsi et que je devais m’éveiller pour éliminer cette souffrance…C’est à ce moment-là que j’ai fait ma propre autoévaluation face à ma vie, face a ma culture et à ma position comme musulmane et arabe vivant dans un pays européen et aussi face au fait que je n’arrivais pas à gérer ma vie affective.<br />
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Le processus est douloureux car tout ce que je croyais s’écroulait, mon monde était pleins d’illusions mais c’était la voie à suivre pour je commence à mieux m’accepter pour arriver vers le bonheur.<br />
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La femme dans certaines communautés comme la mienne est souvent soumise à des tensions pour contrôler sa vie affective. Je ne pouvais pas accepter ce contrôle parce que c’est donner le pouvoir aux autres de gérer ma vie…l’esprit et le corps souffrent à force de sacrifier ses rêves, à force de sacrifier ses choix aux autres, à force de donner le pouvoir au autres.<br />
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Cette maladie que j’ai eue a été révélatrice, mon corps m’a parlé heureusement j’ai pu en guérir car je pensais ne plus pouvoir avoir d’enfants.<br />
Je me suis dit que j’ai encore une chance de reprendre le pouvoir sur ma vie. Pour faire son chemin vers le bonheur, parfois il faut beaucoup souffrir toucher quelque chose que je pouvais perdre.<br />
Ma souffrance m’a permit de connaître le bonheur, ce qui m’a permis de vaincre cette culpabilité.<br />
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Le travail dans la communauté<br />
Ma vision de moi-même était tellement mauvaise et je me sentais tellement coupable que je mettais la faute sur la communauté. J’en voulais à ma mère, j’en voulais à mes copines, j’en voulais à toutes les femmes et aussi à tous les hommes de ma communauté parce que je pensais qu’ils étaient la cause de ma souffrance. Je leur donnais le pouvoir de gérer ma vie.<br />
En suivant mon chemin personnel j’ai compris que c’est ma responsabilité, que je devais garder le pouvoir pour moi.<br />
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Aussi, les pratiques d’autoévaluation appliquées de manière individuelle m’ont beaucoup aidées pour être « compétente face à la vie ».<br />
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J’ai décidée de mettre aussi en application l’approche dans ma communauté, spécifiquement avec le groupe de ma mère.<br />
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Ce fut un grand défi pour moi car j’avais encore des sentiments négatifs vis-à-vis de ma communauté et en tant que facilitatrice/ point focal de cette visite SALT, je devais dépasser cet état négatif. Je pensais : « elles ne voudront pas parler du VIH, elles sont trop fermées ».<br />
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Mais grâce aux autres facilitateurs, j’ai pu canaliser mes émotions et trouver des énergies positives dans le groupe. Ce fut une révélation, j’ai changé ma vision et ma perception de ma communauté et la force dont j’ai pu retirer de ce groupe fut l’inclusion.<br />
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L’enseignement de cette visite SALT est que l’acceptation de soi permet l’acceptation des autres, notre perception change pour trouver le positif de ce qui nous entoure.<br />
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Si ma perception était restée sur le sentiment négatif jamais je n’aurais pu trouver les forces dans ma communauté en effet les tabous, le déni, certains aspects culturels sont des barrières mais elles ne sont pas insurmontables.<br />
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Un an plus tard lors d’une visite SALT auprès de leaders religieux à Chiang Mai j’ai appris qu’il faut accepter ce que ressent une communauté et qu’il faut la laisser avancer à son rythme et qu’on ne devait pas forcer les discussions à propos du VIH et que la communauté elle-même viendrait vers la discussion.<br />
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Je suis encore en voix d’apprentissage vers le chemin de l’acceptation qui mène vers la RECONNAISSANCE et j’espère qu’il en sera ainsi pour ma communauté en tout cas cette expérience m’a amenée à accepter ma communauté. Chers collègues, voici l'expé…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-11:2028109:Comment:141512009-09-11T13:25:12.966ZJudith DIALUNDUAhttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/JudithDIALUNDUA
Chers collègues, voici l'expérience de L'UCOP+<br />
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La construction d’une perle de savoir au sein du Réseau Congolais des Personnes vivantes avec le VIH/SIDA.<br />
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L’UCOP+ a construit sa perle du savoir qui a porté sur les critères de réussite d’une activité génératrice de revenue « une AGR » pour 19 OAC(1)<br />
Ils se sont basés sur ces 3 critères à savoir :<br />
La rentabilité économique c.à.d. PV-PR= B<br />
La rentabilité sociale c.à.d. les bénéfices réalisés permettent de prendre en charge d’autres membres…
Chers collègues, voici l'expérience de L'UCOP+<br />
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La construction d’une perle de savoir au sein du Réseau Congolais des Personnes vivantes avec le VIH/SIDA.<br />
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L’UCOP+ a construit sa perle du savoir qui a porté sur les critères de réussite d’une activité génératrice de revenue « une AGR » pour 19 OAC(1)<br />
Ils se sont basés sur ces 3 critères à savoir :<br />
La rentabilité économique c.à.d. PV-PR= B<br />
La rentabilité sociale c.à.d. les bénéfices réalisés permettent de prendre en charge d’autres membres (Salaires, prise en charge médicale et nutritionnelle) et les frais de fonctionnement (le paiement de frais de transport pour les membres qui sont affectés à la gestion quotidienne de l’AGR ainsi que d’autres frais administratifs)<br />
L’utilisation des outils de gestion.<br />
Quatre OAC (OAC SECAV, OAC OJVS, OAC AMAV-Congo et OAC BOMOYI) ont réalisées la rentabilité économique et sociale grâce à :<br />
Une bonne étude du marché,<br />
Une bonne étude de faisabilité,<br />
Une de rentabilité et la notion du risque,<br />
Un bon choix de l’activité,<br />
L’utilisation régulière des outils de gestion et comptable (tableau de vente journalier, fiche de stock par produit, fiche de stock emballage, bon de sortie, bon de entré, livre de caisse, journal de mouvement, une balance détaillé, etc.)<br />
rêve : que l’AGR soit viable, rentable et d’avoir un compte bancaire qui sera régulièrement approvisionné.<br />
PRINCIPES<br />
Si…. ILLUSTRATION (Exemple) REFERENCES<br />
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Si nous sommes formés alors nous seront à mesure de bien gérer.<br />
l’OJVS pour exceller ; elle se appuyer sur les principes suivants :<br />
-Gestion des risques ;<br />
-Bonne étude du marché ;<br />
-Adaptation l’activité. OJVS<br />
Tél : O99 812 44 79<br />
Av ; Idiofa, n° 6 ; quart. 2 ; com. De Masina<br />
E-mail : ojvs_ong@yahoo.fr<br />
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Si nous ne thésaurisons pas l’argent alors nous serons à mesure de garder la valeur de notre capital initial et nous serons à l’abri du vol.<br />
- SECAV à Réinvestir ses bénéfices en achetant la marchandise ainsi que les emballages récupérables. SECAV<br />
Tél : 081 500 60 62<br />
Av. Djolu, n° A 8 ; quart. Matonge ; com. Kalamu.<br />
E-mail : secav_rdc@yahoo.fr<br />
Si nous faisons une bonne étude du marché alors notre AGR sera économiquement et socialement rentable. -Nos produits seront bien vendus sur le marché parce que nous avons consulté les membres de la communauté avant le lancement des activités. AMAV-Congo<br />
Tél: 081 26 20 405<br />
Av. De l’Ecole, n° 8<br />
E-mail: amavcongo2000@yahoo.fr<br />
La perle du savoir dégagée lors de ce partage d’expérience est la suivante : Dear all,
I must say that i…tag:aidscompetence.ning.com,2009-09-08:2028109:Comment:140962009-09-08T09:01:35.853ZMariJohttps://aidscompetence.ning.com/profile/MariJo
Dear all,<br />
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I must say that i have been working with Antoine and Aicha and we have both stories completed. I have talked with both and summarized the conversation so that they could read the story and be able to make the necessary corrections to it.<br />
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At this point, I have asked both to post it in ning. At the same time, I have offered to translate the stories from French into English (does anybody want to do that?) so that we can have both languages to work with.<br />
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I know that Antoine is going to…
Dear all,<br />
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I must say that i have been working with Antoine and Aicha and we have both stories completed. I have talked with both and summarized the conversation so that they could read the story and be able to make the necessary corrections to it.<br />
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At this point, I have asked both to post it in ning. At the same time, I have offered to translate the stories from French into English (does anybody want to do that?) so that we can have both languages to work with.<br />
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I know that Antoine is going to be travelling with little access to email, but I asked him to post his story before leaving (I just jope that my mail have catched on him).<br />
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I can add two more principles attached to Antoine's story:<br />
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Quand on aime et apprecie les personnes vivant avec le VIH, la maladie devient un probléme de la communauté. - When we love and appreciate people living with HIV, the community takes ownership of the problem.<br />
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Lorsque nous discutons du VIH dans la famille, ça devienne une réalité dans notre vie. - When we discuss HIV within the family it becomes a reality in our lives.<br />
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Si on partage l'expérience et on passe après à l'action, on peut améliorer l'acceptation. - If we share experiences and we translate them into action, acceptation can be improved.<br />
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This is just a proposal so that we can see which is the principle that can best apply to Antoine's story.<br />
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Best<br />
MariJo